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Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:48 pm



Hey fellow instructors,

The line I teach in the summers is adding a bass drum this season (going from 4-5 basses) and I was wondering if y'all could speak to any challenges you've encountered if you've been through that same transition in the past.

I know for starters I'm going to need to update all the exercises to include the 5th drum. If anyone could outline the role of each drum in part writing that would be super helpful. I want to gain a better understanding of how I should be thinking about each bass when composing.

Also, what else should I be on the lookout for? Anything at all.

Much Appreciated :D


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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:38 pm



I've taught and written for groups with as few as 3 basses, and as many as 7.

I don't know that there are specific challenges that exist with five drums as opposed to 4. I actually find it easier to write for 5 than 4. There are a few things compositionally that I use to my advantage that have to do with my tuning scheme. The bottom three drums are tuned to a power chord (root, fifth, root) and the top three drums to the corresponding major triad (root, third, fifth). That allows me to use those different sounds in place of a unison if I want a multi tonal sound without the full range of the basses. The roles that the drums play aren't drastically different. Lower drums probably aren't great for writing rolls or difficult hands exercises, while the upper drums aren't going to give you a ton of power or resonance.

I don't know that I approach teaching the basses any differently. It depends on who the students are more than how many of them there are. Everyone gets the same fundamentals program with the idea that I'm developing younger players to be my advanced players in a year or two, and the advanced players can get more detailed than the younger players. The only thing I can think of that might make things more complicated is the fact that the line will take up more space, and thus will have more distance between the end players. If you're approaching bass drum the right way, that shouldn't make a huge difference, as those students should be keeping time themselves rather than listening and reacting to each other.

In general, I've had the most success teaching bass lines of any size by tailoring the exercises to things they can work on without the rest of the line. I use a lot of two part rhythmic exercises (1-3-5 play one part while 2-4 play the other), check patterns, timing exercises etc. In general, the better the kids are at rhythms, the easier it will be to play anything with their feet. I also do a lot of clearing of the checks in splits. For example, you're working on a sixteenth note split, I'll do a rotation of 4 versions of the split. One with all 8th notes (everyone plays the right hand, nobody plays the left). Players on the beat play the lefts (so you hear 1e& 2e& etc), Offbeats play the left (1 &a2 &a etc), then everyone plays. This isolates each individual with nothing to cover their inaccuracies. If they can get each of the first three variations perfect, then putting it together should be cake. All of this is stuff that translates to pretty much any size line, and leaves every individual with a way to practice by themselves. That's one of the hardest thing I've found in terms of teaching bass lines, is that they find it difficult to get any work done outside of rehearsal.


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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:16 pm



All i got is for cadences or stand tunes, if anything is written for 4 just make the 1st bass play what snares have or a "watered"
version of it! Enjoy :)
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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:19 pm



ATShootZ wrote:Hey fellow instructors,

The line I teach in the summers is adding a bass drum this season (going from 4-5 basses) and I was wondering if y'all could speak to any challenges you've encountered if you've been through that same transition in the past.

I know for starters I'm going to need to update all the exercises to include the 5th drum. If anyone could outline the role of each drum in part writing that would be super helpful. I want to gain a better understanding of how I should be thinking about each bass when composing.

Also, what else should I be on the lookout for? Anything at all.

Much Appreciated :D
The line I'm with started with 4, then when to 5, now we're on 6. We won't go to 7 (out of drums). My approach to writing has been varied, and it ranges from "wow! an extra voice!" to "this sucks, how do I make it easy on myself?"

I guess the best advice I can get give is to not get awfully carried away with the complexity of it... just because you have more drums doesn't mean you have to drop more ink on the page. Don't get trapped into writing parts that are "fair" for everybody. Get the sound you want, and that's the part. This isn't tee ball. Use the band score... the bass drums are the most versatile instrument for reinforcing or putting a counterpoint on other instruments. Take risks with your writing... you will know immediately if something doesn't work then change it up. That's why God gave us pencils. Recycle concepts. A particular run can be used over an over to a completely different effect depending on time signature and tempo (And that makes it really easy to train). Lastly, and this is probably the most important... listen to a lot of groups. Listen to a lot of styles. What do other people do with the basses that you like or don't like?
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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:22 pm



joe356 wrote: That's one of the hardest thing I've found in terms of teaching bass lines, is that they find it difficult to get any work done outside of rehearsal.
Yeah... and this. This X100

BONUS: Your best bass part is worth diddly squat when one kid decides rehearsal is optional. Now I'm ranting. Good Luck!
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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:16 pm



schorsquatch wrote:
ATShootZ wrote:Hey fellow instructors,

The line I teach in the summers is adding a bass drum this season (going from 4-5 basses) and I was wondering if y'all could speak to any challenges you've encountered if you've been through that same transition in the past.

I know for starters I'm going to need to update all the exercises to include the 5th drum. If anyone could outline the role of each drum in part writing that would be super helpful. I want to gain a better understanding of how I should be thinking about each bass when composing.

Also, what else should I be on the lookout for? Anything at all.

Much Appreciated :D
The line I'm with started with 4, then when to 5, now we're on 6. We won't go to 7 (out of drums). My approach to writing has been varied, and it ranges from "wow! an extra voice!" to "this sucks, how do I make it easy on myself?"


I guess the best advice I can get give is to not get awfully carried away with the complexity of it... just because you have more drums doesn't mean you have to drop more ink on the page. Don't get trapped into writing parts that are "fair" for everybody. Get the sound you want, and that's the part. This isn't tee ball. Use the band score... the bass drums are the most versatile instrument for reinforcing or putting a counterpoint on other instruments. Take risks with your writing... you will know immediately if something doesn't work then change it up. That's why God gave us pencils. Recycle concepts. A particular run can be used over an over to a completely different effect depending on time signature and tempo (And that makes it really easy to train). Lastly, and this is probably the most important... listen to a lot of groups. Listen to a lot of styles. What do other people do with the basses that you like or don't like?

Yup. All of this.


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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:53 am



Joe pretty much nailed it.

The biggest challenge I've encountered with 5 basses is finding a high school kid who can carry it with minimal complaining.
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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:51 am



If anyone still has any exercises for 4 basses that they wouldn't mind sharing I would appreciate it. I am starting an indoor program and going down from 5 to 4 and I'm seeming to have trouble with writing exercises for 4. 5 is much easier IMO.


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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:38 am



My freshman year, I played bass 4 and our bass 5 player got cut. For exercises, our director told me to just play his parts as well as mine, and the majority of the time, the only difference was me playing an extra downbeat rather than ending on some weird partial. In a lot of exercises bass 5 is just keeping pulse or playing downbeats, so you could change those downbeats from bass 5 to unison, and in other cases when bass 5 has splits that go beyond downbeats, you can divide the notes among the other drums in ways that make sense within the music. If I can find old exercises from when we had 4 basses I'll share those with you as well.
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Re: Adding a 5th Bass Drum

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 10:49 am



5 bases will in the end provide a more balanced sound. Have the bass 5 player just play straight downbeats on split exercises.
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