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Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:02 pm



If so, is that why Creationists are fighting so hard against it?

Personally, I don't think Evolution disproves the idea of a deity (although in my opinion many other philosophical points DO disprove it). However, I do think Evolution disproves the Christian God (and most other mainstream Religious deities). The biblical tree of life and the REAL tree of life suggested by the fossil record directly differ.

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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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I completely agree with this.
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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Off topic, but I really, truly, honestly laugh out loud every time I read lesterroyer's signature quote. Everything about it just makes me giggle. Drunken parade forays and wayward party girls. All in broken English. Haha!

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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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am a believer and am in the same boat, I think they are two completely different things


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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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My problem with organized Religions is that they deny facts when the facts have potential to contradict their belief.
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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Well.... I am a devout Christian. I do also beleive in science.... Evolution simply makes sense to me.... I do also beleive that there was creation somewhere along the line and stories from the Bible don't line up with stories from scientists. So what? that's my philosophy, who really cares? I focus on the future, accept the lessons and stories in the Bible, and also understand science. I don't get why people have to think things so 2 dimensionally.


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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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ExtensionChord wrote:Well.... I am a devout Christian. I do also beleive in science.... Evolution simply makes sense to me.... I do also beleive that there was creation somewhere along the line and stories from the Bible don't line up with stories from scientists. So what? that's my philosophy, who really cares? I focus on the future, accept the lessons and stories in the Bible, and also understand science. I don't get why people have to think things so 2 dimensionally.

Evolution doesn't disprove God.

However, it does make the idea of a God extremely unlikely considering how sloppy the process of Evolution is.

I also think it completely debunks biblical Creation, and since technically being a Christian means you must accept the bible at face value, I'd say it pretty much disproves the Christian Gods existence.
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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I do not believe so. I think that God and evolution can coexist when it comes to dealing with origin. As for a Christian point of view, I think most Christians need to take a step back and look at the Old Testament as a whole. Instead of a literal interpretation, I perceive the Old Testament as a sort of "Aesop's Fables" of why things came to be. I highly doubt that in 3100 BC people knew that we evolved because of natural selection. So as a result they came up with stories to explain it (just like in any other culture around the world). "Hey, why are we here?" "Umm.....welll...you see....[insert Adam and Eve story]." The same when dealing with morality "God didn't like mean people, so he flooded the world."
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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HHS_snare wrote:I do not believe so. I think that God and evolution can coexist when it comes to dealing with origin. As for a Christian point of view, I think most Christians need to take a step back and look at the Old Testament as a whole. Instead of a literal interpretation, I perceive the Old Testament as a sort of "Aesop's Fables" of why things came to be. I highly doubt that in 3100 BC people knew that we evolved because of natural selection. So as a result they came up with stories to explain it (just like in any other culture around the world). "Hey, why are we here?" "Umm.....welll...you see....[insert Adam and Eve story]." The same when dealing with morality "God didn't like mean people, so he flooded the world."
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:40 pm



Not exactly... I myself am a Christian, and in most other religions, stories (like the bible, koran) aren't always taken literally. The gods we know of may not be the typical Adam-eve-Jesus gods. A diety/god could be out there, but we never really know for sure. You really can't prove it true or false. That's why it's called faith.
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:36 pm



so i will preface this by saying that I grew up with mom being Lutheran, and dad being "pagan". I ended up being "pagan",(I hate that word though cause it is so misinterpreted any more), rooted in the Norse mythos , but have studied many religions in depth over the years of my search for spirituality.

To me, evolution has always been the creative process that the religious stories were talking about. It was not explained SCIENTIFICALLY until Darwin, and his predecessors through today. As I have always believed, the religious stories came about to explain natural things that could not be explained by the science OF THE TIME.

So to me Evolution IS the creation story - or "Gods Plan" for the Christians out there - it is all the same thing. Up until the mid 1800's it was "Adam and Eve" - the Genesis story or Adhulma licking the World Ice Flow to create the giants(Norse creation story), or whatever. Now it is Evolution.

WE are all arguing about whether the same thing is right or wrong...
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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You can still argue that god created the things that evolved, you'd be fighting a losing battle, but it's still a little justifiable after evolution.
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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sxetnrdrmr wrote: Up until the mid 1800's it was "Adam and Eve" - the Genesis story...
Oh I wish that was the case. We'll be doing a timeline of Earth's history with major geological and biological events in may in my Pre-AP Bio class, and one student asked me when I was telling them about this "Where will be put Adam and Eve?" She was completely serious.

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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:43 am



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sxetnrdrmr wrote: Up until the mid 1800's it was "Adam and Eve" - the Genesis story...
Oh I wish that was the case. We'll be doing a timeline of Earth's history with major geological and biological events in may in my Pre-AP Bio class, and one student asked me when I was telling them about this "Where will be put Adam and Eve?" She was completely serious.

That'll be fun....
well, to be more specific about what I wrote, I was meaning that up until Darwin et. al. creation theory was all still based in stories, not science.

And you could probably put Adam and Eve some where around Babylonian times since that is when the Old Testament was first put down...I think. Don't quote me on that though. My religious history is pretty rusty right now....

but yeah, it is sad to think that people believe that Adam and Eve were real people. It is just a story. A metaphor. It would be like me thinking that Odin, Loki, the Valkyries, Thor and all of the characters in my belief system were real. They are just embodiements of ideals - given human charactersitics - to make it easier to relate to.
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so here is another thing I was thinking about on this topic. Since God - or religion in general - is a creation of our brain, God could not have come about without evolution. Why? Our brains had to change via the evolutionary process to be able to think on the higher order that religion and god, come from. Millions of years ago, our brains were programed to do a couple of things...survive and procreate. "Religion", or the idea that something bigger than us is out there, is a very young thought process in the grand scheme of things.

So I guess when I think about it, Evolution is the REASON for Gods existence
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Re: Does Evolution disprove God's existence?

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The theory of evolution does not disprove God's existence, it disproves creationism, effectively ruining the majority of the perceptions and roles of God's/gods' role in religions.
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I'm catholic but i believe in evolution. the bible was a way of explaining the unexplainable back then. it doesnt disprove God. evolution explains how we got here, not why we are here. (philosophically speaking)


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orangeyouglad wrote:I'm catholic but i believe in evolution. the bible was a way of explaining the unexplainable back then. it doesnt disprove God. evolution explains how we got here, not why we are here. (philosophically speaking)

Evolution isn't a belief.
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TVOham wrote:
orangeyouglad wrote:I'm catholic but i believe in evolution. the bible was a way of explaining the unexplainable back then. it doesnt disprove God. evolution explains how we got here, not why we are here. (philosophically speaking)

Evolution isn't a belief.
That's really just being nitpicky. If he said "I don't believe in evolution," you'd have a point to make.
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tommyservo7 wrote:
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orangeyouglad wrote:I'm catholic but i believe in evolution. the bible was a way of explaining the unexplainable back then. it doesnt disprove God. evolution explains how we got here, not why we are here. (philosophically speaking)

Evolution isn't a belief.
That's really just being nitpicky. If he said "I don't believe in evolution," you'd have a point to make.
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tommyservo7 wrote:
TVOham wrote:
orangeyouglad wrote:I'm catholic but i believe in evolution. the bible was a way of explaining the unexplainable back then. it doesnt disprove God. evolution explains how we got here, not why we are here. (philosophically speaking)

Evolution isn't a belief.
That's really just being nitpicky. If he said "I don't believe in evolution," you'd have a point to make.

Actually I would say the same thing. Evolution isn't a belief.

In fact, I think I've said that before when people have said on this site "I don't believe in evolution". I know in every argument I get into with people who say "I don't believe in evolution" I say it. lol science isn't a belief system (at least not in the context that people use the word "believe" in today's society).
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TVOham wrote:
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Evolution isn't a belief.
That's really just being nitpicky. If he said "I don't believe in evolution," you'd have a point to make.

Actually I would say the same thing. Evolution isn't a belief.

In fact, I think I've said that before when people have said on this site "I don't believe in evolution". I know in every argument I get into with people who say "I don't believe in evolution" I say it. lol science isn't a belief system (at least not in the context that people use the word "believe" in today's society).
I think you misread what KJ and I meant. The first guy said he does believe in evolution. There's really no point in correcting him.
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tommyservo7 wrote:
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tommyservo7 wrote: That's really just being nitpicky. If he said "I don't believe in evolution," you'd have a point to make.

Actually I would say the same thing. Evolution isn't a belief.

In fact, I think I've said that before when people have said on this site "I don't believe in evolution". I know in every argument I get into with people who say "I don't believe in evolution" I say it. lol science isn't a belief system (at least not in the context that people use the word "believe" in today's society).
I think you misread what KJ and I meant. The first guy said he does believe in evolution. There's really no point in correcting him.
Yeah, whether you permit his semantics or not, he stated that he's catholic which implies that he doesn't support or ~believe~ evolution, but he proceeded to say that he does support or ~believe~ it. It's just a way of saying something to get his situation or point across to you. Semantics shmelantics.
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